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Why I am not proud to be Singaporean – clear & muddled arguments & the minimum wage debate

The above is the link to the vid that started it all.

Thanks to the ladies & gentlemen who shared their insights with me (based on watching the vid & reading the comments). Here are some of them :

– she has a narrow view of creativity

– change is taking place in Sg, albeit not at an instance (so it is spoilt to use personal experiences as a measure of the whole society’s progress)

– there are parts of the education system that can still be changed to offer more opportunities

– just because we agree with a lot of her points does not necessarily mean we arrive at the same conclusion (that we are not proud of Sg)

– she highlights some qualities of Sg society that make her ashamed.. there are grounds for this because the things she finds shameful (like minimum wage or lack of pride in our work) are a reflection of our values too… can we stand by the values we now  live by ?

– just because we are proud of Sg, does not mean we have to rebut each and every point of hers

– What is more worrisome than her point of view is how some of the other pple respond. We should be worried when our responses don’t help to move the discussion forward (e.g. unhelpful personal attacks, comments like ‘I feel sorry for you’, illogic like ‘be grateful’)….how then can society progress if  pple who raise issues get slammed?

– It’s the way she raises the issues that gets people riled i.e. ranting is not the best way to make change; neither is giving a rude wake-up call and then leaving

– Is national pride a must anyway ?

– erhhmmm… what is pride again ? According to Wikipedia >>> With a positive connotation, pride refers to a satisfied sense of attachment toward one’s own or another’s choices and actions, or toward a whole group of people, and is a product of praise, independent self-reflection, or a fulfilled feeling of belonging. Philosophers and social psychologists have noted that pride is a complex secondary emotion which requires the development of a sense of self and the mastery of relevant conceptual distinctions (e.g., that pride is distinct from happiness and joy)

– The above means that pride can actually differ from love too. So it is possible to also say “I love my country, but right now, I don’t feel there is enough that I can feel proud about.”

– Gratitude should not be confused with pride. The lack of pride is not an absence of gratitude….. so what then brings about pride ?

– Pride cannot be sustained by the achievements of others (though these certainly help) but it could be a matter of contribution from oneself, and a sense of ownership that comes with the contribution (if young pple don’t contribute to country, how then can pride be nurtured) …. YET, some people work hard each day (thereby making a contribution) but still do not feel this sense of pride… could it be because they don’t see their contribution as building a sense of ownership and belonging, but as a reminder of them being used by others to work ?

– Can minimum wage solve the problem of happiness (or even lift national pride a little) ?

Here is an accompanying vid that I think adds some clarity to the arguments for minimum wage (as demonstrated in one of the American states)



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